September 15, 2006 -- GUANTANAMO BAY, CUBA

Some 20 current detainees have direct personal knowledge of the 9/11 attacks and nearly everyone of the current 440 say they would be honored to attack America again. Let's take them at their word.



Source: http://www.nypost.com/postopinion/opedcolumnists/a_deadly_kindness_opedcolumnists_richard_miniter.h tm

Fascinating.

fascinating indeed. of course, if what this author has to say is true, then why aren't more reports such as this being given credibility? all we here are the same ol same ol 'torture is wrong, and we are doing it' ones...

Dunno. You tell me.

When something we disagree with comes about, we call it propaganda. When it's aligned with our opinion we call it truth.

well i said "if" therefore leading to the supposition that i dont believe everything i read ;)

Yes, I got that part.

Does giving something credibility make it true though?
Who gives it? And I'm not so sure more reports = truth either.

From the article:

The high-minded critics who complain about torture are wrong. We are far too soft on these guys - and, as a result, aren't getting the valuable intelligence we need to save American lives.

"Too soft" is stating it lightly.

The politically correct regulations are unbelievable. Detainees are entitled to a full eight hours sleep and can't be woken up for interrogations. They enjoy three meals and five prayers per day, without interruption. They are entitled to a minimum of two hours of outdoor recreation per day.

So, sleep deprivation is torture, playing loud music, etc. Well, boo-fucking-hoo. They also get their five prayers per day for their religion. Right there is a method to extract information. Interupt their prayers. Take their Koran and hold a blow torch next to it. I don't give a shit. These guys are treated better than prisoners in the United States. It's unbelievable.

Interrogations are limited to four hours, usually running two - and (of course) are interrupted for prayers. One interrogator actually bakes cookies for detainees, while another serves them Subway or McDonald's sandwiches. Both are available on base. (Filet o' Fish is an al Qaeda favorite.)

They are "interrupted" for prayers? Fucking unbelievable if this is all true. It also seems they eat better than any other prisoner in the US. Amazing.

Some 20 current detainees have direct personal knowledge of the 9/11 attacks and nearly everyone of the current 440 say they would be honored to attack America again. Let's take them at their word.
So, "Let's take them at their word" and treat them with kid gloves when their intentions are crystal clear. If everything this article states is true, it's really disturbing. Though, I'm sure the sympathizers with these turds find a small bit of satisfaction in it.

I have to agree Tex.

Assuming it's true. I think we're all too busy trying to draw a moral equivalent with our sense of decency that it's blinded us to what we're up against.

I've heard a lot of politicians lately trying to imply that if we mistreat our "detainees" then that sets the stage for any American soldier who may be captured by the enemy.

I think that's absurd to no end, as it is, they fucking behead their prisoners, torture them with power drills, and force them to convert to their faith at gunpoint. They don't play by the Marquis of Queensberry Rules here.

And I sure as hell don't consider any of the things described in this article to be on par with mistreatment, let alone torture. They have fucking lawyers!

It's maddening.

I have to agree Tex.

Assuming it's true. I think we're all too busy trying to draw a moral equivalent with our sense of decency that it's blinded us to what we're up against.

I've heard a lot of politicians lately trying to imply that if we mistreat our "detainees" then that sets the stage for any American soldier who may be captured by the enemy.

I think that's absurd to no end, as it is, they fucking behead their prisoners, torture them with power drills, and force them to convert to their faith at gunpoint. They don't play by the Marquis of Queensberry Rules here.

And I sure as hell don't consider any of the things described in this article to be on par with mistreatment, let alone torture. They have fucking lawyers!

It's maddening.

Yeah, it's plain nuts. The term "torture" for some is anything that would hurt somebody's feelings. I call bullshit.

Among other things I believe are justified in doing to these scumbags, I think they should be able to take these Korans from these people, wipe their asses with it in front of them, piss on it, and -- well, you get the point. But we know that would cause a wave of violence around the world if other peace-loving Muslims found out about it.

I'm getting tired of this country having to walk on a thin sheet of ice to appease Muslims around the world, watch every action we do so they don't go ballistic and act out in violence. Just look at the recent "Pope incident."

I used to believe differently but after the Mohammed cartoons were published ,we saw how savage some of these people could be, my opinion has changed.

What message are we sending now to these pricks by treating them with kid gloves, both the prisoners at Gitmo and Muslims abroad?

My opinion is we're showing that we're weak as a nation and will bow to them every time they throw a hissy fit. Maybe someday we can get to the point where our appeasement of Muslims isn't the number one priority over protecting our own citizens. I fear another attack will happen, though, before we can get to that point.

I'm sick of the status quo as it stands now. Things need to change before it's too late. Though, I think I'm speaking of another pipedream. But one can hope.

I'm thinking another attack is what it will take.

Nothing small time like 9/11 either. That was just the tip of the iceberg.
They see us now, how we cater and bend to their rights. How we're so concerned with stigmatizing a culture that we end up taking their side and defending them.

They know their audience.

We can't see the wolf in sheep's clothing, hell we're not even willing to look for a wolf, and they're learning just how to work that fact to their advantage. In our custody no less.

Our Nation's balls havent dropped yet. We still cater to this PC bullshit, when no such equivalent exists on their side.

I'm thinking another attack is what it will take.

Nothing small time like 9/11 either. That was just the tip of the iceberg.
They see us now, how we cater and bend to their rights. How we're so concerned with stigmatizing a culture that we end up taking their side and defending them.

They know their audience.

We can't see the wolf in sheep's clothing, hell we're not even willing to look for a wolf, and they're learning just how to work that fact to their advantage. In our custody no less.

This is essentially the problem I have with religion in general. People are hungry for spirituality, for a connection to the universe, yet what the world's main faiths offer is the spiritual equivalent of strychnine laced with saccharine.

Our Nation's balls havent dropped yet. We still cater to this PC bullshit, when no such equivalent exists on their side.

Agreed. I'm like Zen. Just like it took 9-11 for the goverment to get off their ass in handling Al-Qaeda, that's what it's going to take to change their position they're holding now as it relates to enemy combatants and pandering to these assholes.

Our Nation's balls havent dropped yet. We still cater to this PC bullshit, when no such equivalent exists on their side.


So opposing torturing people who have never been proven guilty of actually committing a crime or any harm is being politically correct? That's a load of shit and you know it.

I have to agree Tex.

Assuming it's true. I think we're all too busy trying to draw a moral equivalent with our sense of decency that it's blinded us to what we're up against.

I've heard a lot of politicians lately trying to imply that if we mistreat our "detainees" then that sets the stage for any American soldier who may be captured by the enemy.

I think that's absurd to no end, as it is, they fucking behead their prisoners, torture them with power drills, and force them to convert to their faith at gunpoint. They don't play by the Marquis of Queensberry Rules here.

And I sure as hell don't consider any of the things described in this article to be on par with mistreatment, let alone torture. They have fucking lawyers!

It's maddening.

Where do you draw the line or don't you have one? Do you threaten detainees with killing their children for information? Do you actually torture their children in front of them? Do you remove their limbs for information? Would you burn them with blowtorches? Break their arms and legs with baseball bats?

So opposing torturing people who have never been proven guilty of actually committing a crime or any harm is being politically correct? That's a load of shit and you know it.

These are prisoners, Not Holiday Inn Express guests.

So if you are put in prison for not commiting a crime I should support torturing you?

If I say I would be honored to do the crime again, I don't see how it makes me innocent.

Nevermind. You were replying to Zen. My mistake.

I will say I don't think sleep deprivation, playing loud music, and our soldiers wiping their asses with the all-mighty Koran could be considered torture.

Do you?

Where do you draw the line or don't you have one? Do you threaten detainees with killing their children for information? Do you actually torture their children in front of them? Do you remove their limbs for information? Would you burn them with blowtorches? Break their arms and legs with baseball bats?

That's nothing but a load of elitist moral relativism bullshit.

Did you even read the article?
You're the only one mentioning any of these tactics, yet you're trying to foist them on me.

So if you are put in prison for not commiting a crime I should support torturing you?

Who's in prison for not committing a crime?