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outsider
08-23-2006, 08:09 AM
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2006-08-22-marines_x.htm?csp=34

Marines to recall troops on involuntary basis for Iraq, Afghanistan Updated 8/22/2006 8:45 PM ET E-mail (http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2006-08-22-marines_x.htm?csp=34#) | Save (http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2006-08-22-marines_x.htm?csp=34#) | Print (http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2006-08-22-marines_x.htm?csp=34#) | Subscribe to stories like this (http://asp.usatoday.com/marketing/rss/rsstrans.aspx?ssts=news%7Cwashington) http://images.usatoday.com/marketing/_images/rssbox.gif (http://asp.usatoday.com/marketing/rss/rsstrans.aspx?ssts=news%7Cwashington)

swapContent('firstHeader','applyHeader');WASHINGTO N (AP) — The Marine Corps will soon begin ordering thousands of its troops back to active duty because of a shortage of volunteers for Iraq and Afghanistan — the first involuntary recall since the early days of the war.
Up to 2,500 Marines will be brought back at a time, and there is no cap on the total number who may be forced back into service as the military helps fight the war on terror. The call-ups will begin in the next several months.
The number of troops in Iraq has climbed back to 138,000 — the prevailing number for much of last year. Troop levels had been declining this year, to a low of about 127,000, amid growing calls from Congress and the public for a phased withdrawal. Escalating violence in Baghdad has led military leaders to increase the U.S. presence there.
This is the first time the Marines have had to use the involuntary recall since the beginning of the Iraq combat. The Army, meanwhile, has issued orders recalling about 10,000 soldiers so far, but many of those may be granted exemptions.
Marine Col. Guy A. Stratton, head of the manpower mobilization section, estimated that there is a current shortfall of about 1,200 Marines needed to fill positions in upcoming deployments.
Some of the military needs, he said, include engineers, intelligence, military police and communications.
As of Tuesday, nearly 22,000 of the 138,000 troops in Iraq were Marines.
The call-up will affect Marines in the Individual Ready Reserve, a segment of the reserves that consists mainly of those who have left active duty but still have time remaining on their eight-year military obligations.
Generally, Marines enlist for four years, then serve the other four years either in the regular Reserves, where they are paid and train periodically, or in the Individual Ready Reserve. Marines in the IRR are obligated to report only one day a year but can be involuntarily recalled to active duty.
To date, about 5,000 Army IRR soldiers have mobilized, and about 2,200 of those are currently serving, according to Lt. Col. Bryan Hilferty, an Army spokesman. Of those 2,200, about 16% are volunteers, he said. A typical Army enlistment obligation is also for eight years.
According to Stratton, there are about 59,000 Marines in the IRR, but the Corps has decided to exempt from the call-up those who are either in their first year or last year of the reserve status. As a result, the pool of available Marines is about 35,000.
The deployments can last up to two years, but on average would be 12 to 18 months, Stratton said. Each Marine who is being recalled will get five months to prepare before having to report.
President Bush authorized the recall on July 26. It is the first such recall since early 2003, when about 2,000 Marines were involuntarily activated for the initial ground war in Iraq.
"Since this is going to be a long war," said Stratton, "we thought it was judicious and prudent at this time to be able to use a relatively small portion of those Marines to help us augment our units."

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Posted 8/22/2006 2:08 PM ET Updated 8/22/2006 8:45 PM ET

BillyBobRedneck
08-23-2006, 08:12 AM
I had thought that the military always did that during wartime...

Söy
08-23-2006, 09:26 AM
yeah its not a draft; whenever anyone leaves the service they can check the box to be part of the active reserve, and everyone up to, 45 i think, is automatically enrolled in the reserve-reserve or something like that

standby would perhaps be a better wording

outsider
08-23-2006, 09:42 AM
Well, there is more to it than that Soy. There is stop-loss program. It doesn't matter what your original contract says or what boxes you check. You can be recalled.

TheZenMan
08-23-2006, 12:22 PM
It's different in that the recall puts once active marines back on the playing field, where a draft creates new marines.

The only thing they share is being involuntary.

Söy
08-23-2006, 05:21 PM
yeah it's called the ready reserve; i went and looked it up.

Team Brian GB
08-23-2006, 05:26 PM
I hear that all American Males over the age of 18 have to register for the US military draft, so what would it take to get them in active service?

Söy
08-23-2006, 05:29 PM
an act of congress

Team Brian GB
08-23-2006, 05:37 PM
an act of congress

Would there be massive resistance across the US to such an act if the White House pushed it? considering the US military is operating at full capacity and recruitment figures are pathetic- with Bush stepping up the rhetoric on Iran with every passing week

Söy
08-23-2006, 06:11 PM
yes yes there would be

BillyBobRedneck
08-23-2006, 06:20 PM
I want there to be one, it would get our generation back in shape

Söy
08-23-2006, 06:33 PM
including you billay? :D

outsider
08-23-2006, 06:41 PM
Would there be massive resistance across the US to such an act if the White House pushed it? considering the US military is operating at full capacity and recruitment figures are pathetic- with Bush stepping up the rhetoric on Iran with every passing week

I'd like to think there would be resistance to it but sadly I think there wouldn't be so much.

I don't think I'm even draftable since I'm now 25, have never registered for the draft, and have asthma that kept me from enlisting when I had tried.

HaloGuardian
08-23-2006, 09:20 PM
I don't think I'm even draftable since I'm now 25, have never registered for the draft, and have asthma that kept me from enlisting when I had tried.

No, you will be used for pharmaceutical testing...

BillyBobRedneck
08-24-2006, 07:01 AM
including you billay? :Dyes, especially me. people like me are the reason our society sucks so badly compared to the generations before us (except for those in the 60s, they are 10x worse)

OddPants
08-30-2006, 07:02 PM
yes, especially me. people like me are the reason our society sucks so badly compared to the generations before us (except for those in the 60s, they are 10x worse)

Weren't the 60s when they were drafting people for the Vietnam War...

outsider
08-30-2006, 09:47 PM
Stop-loss isn't "all volunteer".

Though it is interesting to point out that Thomas Jefferson was in favor of 2 years mandatory military service so that our population would be ready when the time came to rebel if necessary. Not so that we could wage war with whoever we wanted but so that the military would not be its own power, it would be a civil power.

HaloGuardian
08-30-2006, 09:49 PM
Do you have some info on that? Because I don't really understand it...

outsider
08-30-2006, 10:16 PM
Key terms are Thomas Jefferson and Universal Service

GoodCitizenDan
08-31-2006, 03:26 AM
Leaving the army... the only thing harder than leaving AOL