link: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060629/ap_on_go_su_co/scotus_guantanamo_trials;_ylt=AsdeTdqt7Hq3Yn0Yw4XF Am6s0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTA2Z2szazkxBHNlYwN0bQ--
Supreme Court blocks Guantanamo trials ...
his plan to try Guantanamo Bay detainees in military tribunals violates U.S. and international law...
It was a sequel to a ruling two years ago that found the administration did not have a "blank check" to lock up alleged combatants without any legal rights...


Its good to know somone is running atleast partial damage control on the president's retarded agenda. Maybe in another 4-5 years they'll get us back to where we were 7 years ago in terms of civil rights...

So charge em already, THEN hold em. Less we forget we have "recaptured" Git-Mo detainies the were released, on the battlefield in Iraq already.

link: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060629/ap_on_go_su_co/scotus_guantanamo_trials;_ylt=AsdeTdqt7Hq3Yn0Yw4XF Am6s0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTA2Z2szazkxBHNlYwN0bQ--
Its good to know somone is running atleast partial damage control on the president's retarded agenda. Maybe in another 4-5 years they'll get us back to where we were 7 years ago in terms of civil rights...

I don't think so Dan, we are only interested in protecting the rights of non-Americans, not that of real Americans. Our rights will continue to erode even after GWB is out of office.

oh and btw.....if the Pres goes to congress and asks for the permission to have these courts and is granted it, then the Supreme Court won't do anything about it.

Its good to know somone is running atleast partial damage control on the president's retarded agenda. Maybe in another 4-5 years they'll get us back to where we were 7 years ago in terms of civil rights...

I hear what you're saying. The "civil rights" of terrorists, or alleged terrorists, worries me gravely, as well. I'm a bleeding heart through and through on this issue.

In fairness to these fine, fun-loving human beings, we should fly them to the United States, have tax payer dollars pay for the best attorneys money can buy, and clog up our court docket (but a worthwhile effort) so these people will be treated to the most upstanding, best legal representation that can be afforded to these peaceful holy men.

Their civil rights should be our greatest concern in these troubled times we face. I'm shocked their mistreatment has gone on so long, and it saddens me to the core. :hsugh:

one of the guys, the main one that is involved wasn't even allowed at his own court appearance to defend himself and face his accusers. That seems a little over the line.

I hear what you're saying. The "civil rights" of terrorists, or alleged terrorists, worries me gravely, as well. I'm a bleeding heart through and through on this issue.
In fairness to these fine, fun-loving human beings, we should fly them to the United States, have tax payer dollars pay for the best attorneys money can buy, and clog up our court docket (but a worthwhile effort) so these people will be treated to the most upstanding, best legal representation that can be afforded to these peaceful holy men.
Their civil rights should be our greatest concern in these troubled times we face. I'm shocked their mistreatment has gone on so long, and it saddens me to the core. :hsugh:

All this is saying is that we have to actually PROVE the people we are holding are terrorists. Once we figure out which ones are important and which ones are just random loudmouth islamic fundamentalists, we can concentrate on the ones that are actually important.

As far as 'rights' for actual terrorists? I think they should have the right not to have their balls strapped to a car battery, but anything up to that point gets a thumbs up from my end.

So charge em already, THEN hold em. Less we forget we have "recaptured" Git-Mo detainies the were released, on the battlefield in Iraq already.

who knows what these recaptured people's story was, but imagine you were some innocent dude taken to gitmo, tortured and all, and then a few years later they say, "sorry, our bad," and set you free.

would you not maybe consider taking arms up against the guys who did that to you, even if you hadn't before?

I hear what you're saying. The "civil rights" of terrorists, or alleged terrorists, worries me gravely, as well. I'm a bleeding heart through and through on this issue.

In fairness to these fine, fun-loving human beings, we should fly them to the United States, have tax payer dollars pay for the best attorneys money can buy, and clog up our court docket (but a worthwhile effort) so these people will be treated to the most upstanding, best legal representation that can be afforded to these peaceful holy men.

Their civil rights should be our greatest concern in these troubled times we face. I'm shocked their mistreatment has gone on so long, and it saddens me to the core. :hsugh:

dude, how are you so cerain they are all terrorists if the most basic building blocks of the system by which we attribute criminal responsibility to people are totally absent?

EDIT: oh... just saw GCD's pot. so, um... werd.

EDIT: oh... just saw GCD's post. so, um... werd. :oops:

I agree with Gred. If these people that are being held are actually terrorists then they are getting all that they deserve. There is doubt over how many actually are the nine Britons that were held there for example after two years went sent home, where MI6 did investogations into them and found no evidence of what the US Government was claiming and subsequently released them. Firstly you need to try them, and try them through the proper channels where those that are innocent can have that recognized. The US Supreme Court was right in their judgement this week, because they realise that the US Government is lowering themselves to the terrorists levels, and going against the rule of law, and America's treaty obligations. You really don't realise how much damage Guantanamo has done to America's reputation abroad- even more that Iraq. Today, when Americans claim they come from a land of liberty and freedom they are laughed and scoffed at.

In such a war as this, America needs to keep the moral highground and fight on your ethics. Can it truly be justified that to defend freedom you can use such authoritarianism. This decision should have been made years ago but the US either has to release them or try them properly, if America wants anything in the way of a reputation then there is no possible third way.

who knows what these recaptured people's story was, but imagine you were some innocent dude taken to gitmo, tortured and all, and then a few years later they say, "sorry, our bad," and set you free.

would you not maybe consider taking arms up against the guys who did that to you, even if you hadn't before?

That might be true, but I'd be willing to bet there's not a lot of innocent "dudes" in Gitmo.

That might be true, but I'd be willing to bet there's not a lot of innocent "dudes" in Gitmo.

I'm willing to bet there is

I'm willing to bet there is

I figured you would.

That might be true, but I'd be willing to bet there's not a lot of innocent "dudes" in Gitmo.

right. because this administration doesn't make mistakes.

dude, how are you so cerain they are all terrorists if the most basic building blocks of the system by which we attribute criminal responsibility to people are totally absent?

EDIT: oh... just saw GCD's pot. so, um... werd.

You saw GCD's pot? :laugh:

right. because this administration doesn't make mistakes.

All I was putting forward is that I'm sure there's not a lot of innocent "dudes" there compared to ones that were captured during combat operations and the like. Though, I'm sure there are. That happens in this country. Mistakes are made.

Now, if this was happening to our citizens it would cause me concern, having just been wrongly accused of a crime I didn't commit. But call me a heartless bastard, but I really don't give a fuck about these people in Gitmo. Not in the least.

Maybe when you get your law degree you can go over there and defend the shitbags since you're so worried about their civil rights and work to free the ones you believe to be innocent.

I figured you would.

The World believes as well, most of the people in Guantanamo have been there five years, why have they not been tried?

Since the beginning of the War on Terror, 505 people have been sent to Guantanamo- 242 have been released without charge.

Of the Remaining 263, only thirteen have to be innocent- roughly 12% currently detained for my hypothesis to be proved correct.

one of the guys, the main one that is involved wasn't even allowed at his own court appearance to defend himself and face his accusers. That seems a little over the line.

That happened to me in this country, and it does suck. A fucker filed a report I assualted him with a deadly weapon, and I never got to face him in court, and on top of that he was never investigated by the DA to see that his story was bullshit.
I had to spend a ton of cash to show he was a liar. I just showed up in court so the attorneys could haggle over pleas.

Now, what you're talking about is probably preliminary hearings where the attorneys handle the legalities of the case and whatnot. When the case finally gets to trial before whatever organization they set up, he'll be allowed in.

Now, if not, then that would be bullshit.

All I was putting forward is that I'm sure there's not a lot of innocent "dudes" there compared to ones that were captured during combat operations and the like. Though, I'm sure there are. That happens in this country. Mistakes are made.

Now, if this was happening to our citizens it would cause me concern, having just been wrongly accused of a crime I didn't commit. But call me a heartless bastard, but I really don't give a fuck about these people in Gitmo. Not in the least.

Maybe when you get your law degree you can go over there and defend the shitbags since you're so worried about their civil rights and work to free the ones you believe to be innocent.


Then you are a hypocrite with no credibility, you cannot fight for freedom and expect to win by fighting dirty, you need to keep the higher moral standard, especially if you expect foreign support.

The World believes as well, most of the people in Guantanamo have been there five years, why have they not been tried?

Since the beginning of the War on Terror, 505 people have been sent to Guantanamo- 242 have been released without charge.

Of the Remaining 263, only thirteen have to be innocent- roughly 12% currently detained for my hypothesis to be proved correct.

I agree they should be tried, it's taken long enough, but I guess honestly, like I said before, I could give a rat's ass about these people.

There's bigger fish to fry and things for me to be concerned with in this whole mess than the turds locked up in Gitmo. The "bleeding hearts" can fight that battle. It's just not one I really give a fuck about.

Then you are a hypocrite with no credibility, you cannot fight for freedom and expect to win by fighting dirty, you need to keep the higher moral standard, especially if you expect foreign support.

That's one of the problems is this idea of a "higher moral standard." You're probably the type of person who believes the atomic bombs we sent into the heart of Japan was a bad decision.

By all accounts that would be considered low on the moral scale, but it sure was effective, wasn't it?

There's countless other examples of our pussyfooting in the war we're waging now that's hurt our efforts.

Now, as far as your little jab about "credibility," I've made my opinion perfectly clear. I don't care about the assholes in Gitmo. Plain and simple.

But there are people that do, and hopefully they can accomplish what they are trying to do. I could care less either way what happens.