I have some stupid Idiot in the United States who is sending me messages via YouTube about the Iraq War- on his profile he claims that he is fourty but writes as if he was ten:

My posts are in bold, his are not.

Has the United States never realised that many people's around the world value safety, security and stability over an extremely fragile dangerous democracy?

What?????? Now that made no Sence.... I guess it's bettewr to be murdered. Yep your right, we are SO OPPRESSIVE. (I guess that shows his dumbness)

Why dies it not surprise me that an American doesn't get it.
> People would rather live in a Country where they are secure, where they have jobs, where they can walk down the street without fear of abduction or being killed.
> In Iraq today they have "democracy" they also have 55% unemployment, most of the Country beneath the poverty line, 50% malnutrition, Baghdad only receives on av. 5hours of electricity a day, last year 600 teachers and lecturers were abducted- 500 killed. Last year 1000 children were abducted- 700 were killed. The Country has been plunged into anarchy.
> Now tell me what sort of democracy is that, and would you want to live in a democracy such as that??
> And the White House provided it for them- and you wonder why the World doesn't like America??

Ya That's what we went there for. To Abduct teacher's and lecturer's to have some redneck FUN. Score a clue. What will you type in there defence when "WHEN" the end up useing biologic's, Screw Chemical. And then again they just might be only packing that little bitty Vest Bomb seated right next to your Mother..... BOMB. How do you fuck'in like me now. You deserve your skin to melt from your bone's.

> Ha ha ha, are you now trying to claim that they have weapons of mass destruction? Americans were more disillusioned than I thought. I don't fully understand what you have wrote because it is ridiculously poor use of English, I speak for the common man, woman and child who want to live a life which is worthwhile and where they don't fear for their lives walking out of their front doors- your fight for freedom has created that paradox.
> And Iraq didn't have terrorists before you went on your crusade, there was no one that Saddam Hussein hated more than radical islamists, you have created that problem and if anything comes of it it will land at your door.
> I deserve to have my skin melt from my bones? if that's what I get for standing up for the standard of living of 25million Iraqis then so be it. A typical American approach, anyone who makes a criticism is deemed an enemy of the state. I have always been very pro American, but little by little I am warming off. Power has currupted you and you are alienating your allies, America is facing a spectacular fall and you will have no one to blame but yourselves, and the pieces will be picked up by India and China.

Now yer getting the idea. Yer Useing word's like Crusade's.. So we don't have to go through a history lesson with you 'HeH'.
You really should'nt speak on the WMD's. I guess you don't watch the new's, or have anybody In-Country to give let us say a bird's eye account. Silly little Boy.... Are you and yer Parent's scientologist's by any chance?
India and China. Ya we are going to worry about countries that keep their people living in the dirt. Open a window it's 2006 NOT 400AD..!!!!!!
And about living a life? Ya let's Re-Install saddom and his rape, torture, murder room's. You can step in as his first customer of the new but the same old shit Iraq. "You are a smart one". Yep Yer a Scientologist. Not worth the extra shake of the dick for a good time.

> > Mate, I read fourteen papers on a daily basis and watch BBC News, Sky News, CNN, CNBC, FOX and Al Arabiya every evening- you couldn't do a shit without me knowing about it. Well on this WMD claim, Sarin was found- and no they were not making it, they had it stored from the Iran-Iraq War and in the United Nations Resolution of 1441 notes, Sarin was not classified as a WMD. Furthermore, do you know where the sarin came from?? well the United States of course. Idiot. Have you got a clue how nationalistic and government biased your media is?? well that's not surprising after all the hoo hah about the New York Times, so when it came through my door this morning, it couldn't see what the fuss was about- if anyone questions "the commander-'n-chief" and then they get accused of anti-americanism.
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> > Scientologists- no- It's called realism, America is so far dtached from the rest of the world that it hasn't got a clue how life works.
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> > What makes me laugh though is how you talk about history, my house is older than your Country, my old school is four times older than your Country. And my country did fight in the crusades, if you want me to give you a history lesson I will because it sounds like you are in need of one.
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> > Wll that's the thing, most of China's population does live in squalor and as it stands it is the third biggest economy in the world. Their economy grew by 10.2% last year, it has doubled in size since 1992 and will double again inside a decade- you really don't have a hope in hell against them, in many ways they are more advanced than you. And you say that like America doesn't- You have more poverty than any other Country in the Western World, that's before we mention xenophobia and segregation- it is a well known fact that America holds racism at it's heart and it is worrying how nationalistic you really are.
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> > I'm not saying Iraq was the nicest place in the world pre-war, but it is certainly better than it is now, Have you been to Iraq?? well I have, and I can tell you it is the biggest shithole on Earth. People had jobs in Saddam's Iraq, you didn't get blown up under Saddam's Iraq, you didn't die because of malnutrition or lack of water under Saddam's Iraq, you wern't abducted and held for ransom in Saddam's Iraq, you wern't in poverty because only half the workforce have jobs in Saddam's Iraq. Do you really think that Iraqis are happy that you are there?? They hate you more than they ever did for taking their Country and turning their lives upside down, you invaded a sovereign nation against international law, for what??
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> > And as you are so keen to point out history, let me point an instance out for you- two days after the assassination of John F. Kennedy, Lyndon Johnson reversed Presidential Executive order 485. and esculated the war in Vietnam, a war that was fought on very conspicuous reasons. For eight years you conscripted men to go and fight in jungles eleven thousand miles from the US. You went in to defend freedom and democracy, you realised that the Vietnamese at large didn't want democracy and after eight years you shat yourselves and ran away. Well how you didn't learn that lesson God only knows, especially as the French had the same happen to them only ten years earlier. And now you have got yourselves engaged in a quagmire once more and who knows were it will lead.
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> > I am surprised you are stupid enough not to see deja vu. People always told me that American's were ignorant, and self centred in their belief in their nation- well you seem to be proving their case. Because I and the World can see that the Iraq War was criminal, I get accused of being a Scientologist. Well then I assume you are Neo right-wing conservative, and I am willing to bet you have never stepped foot of North American soil.
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> > Fairplay, for someone who claims they are fourty you sure talk like you're twelve.

> BWuaahahahahah.... Realism. (see scientologist). You do an awefull lot of reading "HeH" Maybe you should try Quoting fact's. AND WHERE DID THEM WMD's GO.!!!!!! You watch all this new's and Read all these Headlines , You are so informed. So tell me when did you get home? Who do you have In-country? What exactly do you have at stake. Just Young dumb and full of CUM "HeH" You think you have something to say But type tripe. What did you call it in your last message "The Crusades". That's the only thing you got right. An awefull lot of Type Tripe for nothing there. The only ignorance is that you you choose socialism over Capitalism. I just love FREE-THINKERS. They have the smallest Box Of all.

Who do I have in Country, oh perhaps ten thousand troops behaps, with 78% of the population against them going to Iraq in the first place. The Funny thing is, you tell me that I right "tripe" too much, well I am the one quoting facts here- you are the one trying to tell me I'm a scientologist. Now tell me, what has Capitalism got to do with Iraq?? taking control of oil assets perhaps?? and you now say I'm socialist- I think someone is confused, I don't know what believing in a free economy has got to do with 130,000 Americans in Iraq, and I think you are throwing big words in because you think it sounds good. You hate free thinkers? that doesn't surprise me, America isn't known for it's people thinking by themselves, whatever they follow in the media they take as gospel. What do I have at stake?? Well maybe the security of the World, by going into Iraq all you have managed to do is piss the middle east off, and cause the number of sophisticated terrorists to go through the roof. All because America think's it is so big and tough that it can walk all over anyone it desires- lol. And to clarify, I don't believe in scientology or socialism- I believe in people, all over this world having the best chance of life they can get. Well America has a history of doing that to Countrys. And tell me what do you do for a living? are you a truvk driver or factory worker because your intelligence and reasoning skills are incredibly laughable.



This guy must be the most stupid man I have ever come across, this is the first time anyone has claimed that I'm a socialist- I suppose there is always a first for everything.

Admit it TB, We Americans just find your British accent sexy and intoxicating...

Your rant is just as bad, in my eyes anyways, as his as well as chock full of fallacies, same as his.

That reminded me of the old Grimes V Bushsucks threads. A know it all blowhard who throws out numbers to make himself look smart and a 10 year old with a potty mouth and no concept of spelling or grammar.

That reminded me of the old Grimes V Bushsucks threads. Too much to read.

I couldn't believe this guy kept sending me messages back. I'd give credible reasons for my position and he'd come back with "you're a scientologist" what a prat

UPDATE:

Ok 17, And just made it on the Electorial Roll. When do you get to make your first vote? Or do you have to get a few year's of paying taxes before you get to do that. Just think 3 quarters of iraq Voted for who they wanted for the first time, In what? 38 42 years. And we will barge in anywhere that consern's our safety and our way of life. Don't try to understand it. You have to have liberty to be able Cloak your-self in it. Pay your money to your Queen and charels Makes me no differance. But 17 and braging on your voting right's are minimal to that of the new Iraq forming. Your just part of the what i like to call, "The Microwave Genration" {COME ON I AIN'T GOT ALL MINUTE} Your a bad one sided long winded miss-guided Youth. How do you like your new X-Box Mommie Bought you for Christmas. Please stop with the broken record bullshit It's Strait out of the Scientologist Handbook.

And again yer mighty swift at talking for your fighting men & Women.....!!!!! Do you need me to go online and find you a date? Maybe one that will make you an American.:)

Err, Well as I voted in the last General Election and I am a member of a political party (and no, it isn't left wing) that does give me voting rights.
"And we will barge in anywhere that consern's our safety and our way of life"
are you on drugs?? how was Iraq threatening your way of life; were they a
military superpower- no, were they breeding terrorists- no, were they building weapons of mass destruction which were against the provisions of the nuclear non-proliferation treaty which the United states Military subsequently found- no.

On Iraqi democracy, yes they voted two years ago, they formed a government and cabinet weeks ago- You cannot introduce democracy straight aftera dictatorship- it just doesn't work and has never worked. For example, the fall of the Second Reich led to the formation of the Weimar Republic of Germany, which was said to have the most democratic constitution in history. Germany had never experienced true democracy before and wished for a return to the old system- thirteen years down the line and who comes to power- Adolf Hitler. You had a very similar situation in Italy that led to the rise of Benito Mussolini. You cannot go from extreme authoritarianism to democracy in such a short space of time, the Country is on the verge of anarchy, it's economy is only a fraction of what is was a few years ago, and the social problems are so horrendous that it threatens civil war and the breakup of Iraq, who knows what will happen? the formation of The People's Islamic Republic of Iraq perhaps. America doesn't realise that not everyone around the world is brought up on the same principles as them.

Yes I will talk on behalf the of the British Armed Forces, 200,000 personnel signed up to defend the United Kingdom. They signed up to keep foreign aggression from reaching British shores. They didn't sign up to go to war against a country thousands of miles away, for phantom weapons of mass destruction, where they are hated by the people they are supposedly liberating. In the last three years the number of people deserting and going AWOL is at an all-time high, and recruitment levels is at a post-war low. Generals have resigned. The Army is now demanding the right to industrial action, it would appear that the British Army is prepared to mutiny over Iraq, and I will support and stand up for them.

I cannot believe that three years on, you still belive that Iraq was a threat to your national security, could you please do an IQ test- the results would turn out very interesting

What is it exactly that you want us to see here?

You seem rather proud of something, but what?

It's not that I'm proud of it, it is how stupid one guy can be- he believes Iraq was a threat to US national security, Iraq was never believed to be a threat to US national security

Don't throw stones in glass houses. While it's neat that your house is older than my government, and it is neat, it does not qualify you in any way what so ever on history. Yet you still used such an example you imbue credibility.

It's not that I'm proud of it, it is how stupid one guy can be- he believes Iraq was a threat to US national security, Iraq was never believed to be a threat to US national security

I see

Sounds like you've got it all figured out then. Carry on.

I do agree with you that Iraq was not a threat to our National Security, however at the time we went to war many people did believe them to be, although some of us did nto want to go to war, but rather to let the UN finish inspections. And I don't mean to sound like GWB, but you wouldn't have any clue what it felt like to be an American after 9/11, knowing that after the attacks people were cheering in the streets in some countries. The evidence that was shown to the citizens afterwards with regards to Iraq and WMD's was seemingly overwhelming. Does Joe Schmo have any way of knowing that the government was lying/being misled...etc? Not really. While he argues like a child, you are just as bad. You are actually trying to act so superior to him by making him seem so blindly ethnocentric that you don't even see how you are exactly the same as he is just with a better vocabulary.

I do agree with you that Iraq was not a threat to our National Security, however at the time we went to war many people did believe them to be, although some of us did nto want to go to war, but rather to let the UN finish inspections. And I don't mean to sound like GWB, but you wouldn't have any clue what it felt like to be an American after 9/11, knowing that after the attacks people were cheering in the streets in some countries. The evidence that was shown to the citizens afterwards with regards to Iraq and WMD's was seemingly overwhelming. Does Joe Schmo have any way of knowing that the government was lying/being misled...etc? Not really. While he argues like a child, you are just as bad. You are actually trying to act so superior to him by making him seem so blindly ethnocentric that you don't even see how you are exactly the same as he is just with a better vocabulary.

It's not that he believed that Iraq was a threat to US National Security then, he still believes that they were a threat that amazes me. Yes I would know what it is like when terrorism strikes your Country- I had distant family members killed by the IRA. Okay, the US never experiencing major terrorism before, but the US does believe in freedom of speech and expression- it may sound harsh, but when another peoples cheer in the streets you have to deal with it, more importantly you have to ask yourself why they were cheering, what maes them hate America so much that they cheer when Americans are killed. I can understand right or wrong why people at the time support war in Iraq, but it is now three years on and I have some random American bloke sending me messages about why the Iraq War should be thought and where American soldiers should be there, even though we know full well that both our governments lied to get there in the first place, and all it has served to do is send the US Treasury into a record deficit, split the West and make terrorist attacks more likely.

Obviously you see it in a different way than I do, but the way I'm trying to put my point across and what I have been trying to tell him, just read the first thing I wrote. That Democracy is not the be-all end-all, and that going to Iraq hasn't helped anyone, and that is what I wrote in my early posts- and all he could say to combat that was that I'm a scientologist (first time that has been claimed) I have actually used facts in what I have said, I cannot think of one that he has used apart from his own opinions. I received another message from him this evening stating that Iraqi Weapons Of Mass Destruction Exist Today and his source for this is some neo right-wing website based in California. I would rather not insult him, but if he makes personal claims about me, then I'll counter them about him.

I don't take well to being called a socialist for not going into such a war

It's not that he believed that Iraq was a threat to US National Security then, he still believes that they were a threat that amazes me. Yes I would know what it is like when terrorism strikes your Country- I had distant family members killed by the IRA. Okay, the US never experiencing major terrorism before, but the US does believe in freedom of speech and expression- it may sound harsh, but when another peoples cheer in the streets you have to deal with it, more importantly you have to ask yourself why they were cheering, what maes them hate America so much that they cheer when Americans are killed. I can understand right or wrong why people at the time support war in Iraq, but it is now three years on and I have some random American bloke sending me messages about why the Iraq War should be thought and where American soldiers should be there, even though we know full well that both our governments lied to get there in the first place, and all it has served to do is send the US Treasury into a record deficit, split the West and make terrorist attacks more likely.

Obviously you see it in a different way than I do, but the way I'm trying to put my point across and what I have been trying to tell him, just read the first thing I wrote. That Democracy is not the be-all end-all, and that going to Iraq hasn't helped anyone, and that is what I wrote in my early posts- and all he could say to combat that was that I'm a scientologist (first time that has been claimed) I have actually used facts in what I have said, I cannot think of one that he has used apart from his own opinions. I received another message from him this evening stating that Iraqi Weapons Of Mass Destruction Exist Today and his source for this is some neo right-wing website based in California. I would rather not insult him, but if he makes personal claims about me, then I'll counter them about him.

I don't take well to being called a socialist for not going into such a war

You said "Iraq was never believed to be a threat to US national security" and that is what I took issue with. You are quite ethnocentric though and you seem to hate america. Carry on with that then.

You said "Iraq was never believed to be a threat to US national security" and that is what I took issue with. You are quite ethnocentric though and you seem to hate america. Carry on with that then.

In other words, I wasn't ever under the impression that you were calling him an idiot for still believing that. I thought you were saying he is an idiot for ever thinking it.

You said "Iraq was never believed to be a threat to US national security" and that is what I took issue with. You are quite ethnocentric though and you seem to hate america. Carry on with that then.

LOL- That's what people assume, but on the contrary- this is the transcripts of two private messages that I sent off to a person on these boards earlier this evening.

People assume I have these arguments because I'm anti-American. On the contrary I'm far from it, it just dissapoints me that a Country with such immense power and has always had big ties with the United Kingdom with whom we've changed the world with, can elect such a disgraceful man, and what dissapoints me more is that there are people who still cannot see it. I want a strong and powerful America, but not in the hands of someone like George Bush. Five years ago America was in a very strong position, it had a good President, a strong economy and a good standing around the World. Now in comes Bush who destroys everything Clinton did in the way of the economy with a record deficit, he goes into a stupid war, polarizes the world, and opens the door for China to become the World Hyperpower. What a difference one Supreme Court Decision has made to the future of the World. I'm well aware that the Democrats have their problems, but I hope they push the balance in their favour in the mid-terms which will set them up for 2008.

The World literally depends upon it.

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That's what unrivalled power does, it corrupts you to the point where it undermines your very position. The United States has certainly taken a massive knock under the Bush administration, though it is recoverable- another neo con on the otherhand could mean goodbye and goodnight. Neo Cons at the moment are guilty of the same mistake that the US has done in the past- getting complacent. America thinking it is invincible led to the raid on Pearl Harbur, led to Kennedy being assassinated, led to defeat in Vietnam and led to 9/11- China even though it is a long way off is making massive strides and has all the momentum and will catch the US completely unawares by most of the population. If the US realises it is not the be all, end all and that it isn't immortal, it will see what is in store for it's future. Whatever you may hear about British support for the US is in our Government only- I find it very hard to stay pro-American in anyway but it is viable. Believe it or not, Britons are more anti-American right now than the French or the Germans are (due to our iraq participation) and it is well documented here how uninformed Americans are about the World and current affairs.

I do not believe as you put it the Anglo-Saxon influence will diminish. Even though the US may be overtaken, it will always be powerful and have massive military and economic might. As I said if the US keeps complacency at bay then it can prolong it's time at the top- all major powers in the World- Greece, Rome, Mongolia, Spain, Britain fell due to that fact, if you and your people realise this then there is hope for you yet. Looking to the future, don't rule out the EU, a rivival of Britain and Russia, and then again India are rising power as well. Whatever the outcome is at the top you can take solace that at least one other entity will be there with them which will counter-balance things.

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America dissapoints me so much atthe moment because it has done wonders for the World, but with Bush and his cronies in the White House is destroying the current status quo, and destroying America with it- which I assure you I do not wish to see happen. As I pointed out somewhere above I have always been pro-American, but with such a government with such attitude problems my views of the US have been very hard to maintain, and I am praying that America at large believes in the same way and votes accordinally this November and in two years time.

So you're basically telling us that our current president is not in agreement with your notion of who it should be?

Well, so what?

I guess I don't get it.

I do agree with you that Iraq was not a threat to our National Security, however at the time we went to war many people did believe them to be, although some of us did nto want to go to war, but rather to let the UN finish inspections.


And they could have become one... Plus they were an "ass to kick" to prove a point to the ones that ARE a threat.


Our way of internationaly saying "keep fuckin up and you'll get some of this!!!"

I do agree with you that Iraq was not a threat to our National Security, however at the time we went to war many people did believe them to be, although some of us did nto want to go to war, but rather to let the UN finish inspections.


And they could have become one... Plus they were an "ass to kick" to prove a point to the ones that ARE a threat.


Our way of internationaly saying "keep fuckin up and you'll get some of this!!!"

So you're basically telling us that our current president is not in agreement with your notion of who it should be?

Well, so what?

I guess I don't get it.

To sum up what I'm saying, Bush as he is is destroying the American superpower and the current world order- unless you don't want that to happen, you better do something about it.